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geo wrote: hmm was wondering how a standalone Lisp machine would perform this..

I'm going to pull out my 3620 in the next couple days and start it as a project. I'll let you know eventually.

kjaer wrote: I'm going to pull out my 3620 in the next couple days and start it as a project.

you have a great collection up there kjaer! how i wish i'm near there to see it live

kjaer wrote: I'll let you know eventually.

thanks in advance!!

for you, geo

http://www.podval.org/~sds/tool.html

that guy is a zealot in more ways than one.

geo: your benchmark is a bit limited because it only tests the speed of incrementing, testing, and branching. in real programs memory architecture and function calling are probably more important. back in the medieval period, Dick Gabriel did some work on benchmarking systems and wrote a book about it.
http://www.dreamsongs.com/Files/Timrep.pdf

these days it would be better to have more up-to-date benchmarks, like I suppose, RSA crypto or *ML parsing.

robespierre wrote: that guy is a zealot in more ways than one.

I think the word you are looking for is 'crackpot' But anyone who dislikes OCAML can't be all bad ...

.. more up-to-date benchmarks, like I suppose, NSA de- crypting or email parsing.

fixed that for you

hamei wrote: for you, geo

http://www.podval.org/~sds/tool.html

thanks ham!! will check this out later on our break what's up there? CNY is fast approaching so kinda busy here.. will head home soon yahoo!! no more cold places this CNY

robespierre wrote: geo: your benchmark is a bit limited because it only tests the speed of incrementing

hahaha i know robes but i just use this as a quick comparison for different platforms i just got this test from one article i read.. and yes i did read the Timrep.pdf, one of my fave reference on different Lisp implementations..

yeah.. i even thought maybe Lisp could be used on bitcoin mining? not sure if i understood it right.. oh! i already got Kogge's book from Amazon, i cant stop reading hehe but now im kinda busy with BLE stuff.. get back with SGI and LISPM soon, cheers!!

hamei wrote: Quote:
.. more up-to-date benchmarks, like I suppose, NSA de- crypting or email parsing.

fixed that for you

nice one ham! that's why our internet is crawling

No, I meant a zealot , he thinks that the campus campaigns to divest from Israeli stocks are an NSDAP-like attempt to drive Jews out of colleges.

geo: I haven't read that book, let me know what you think of it.

robespierre wrote: No, I meant a zealot

I'll take your word for it ...

He does dislike OCAML tho, so there must be a glimmer of sanity left in that broken pate ... just your average IT kinda guy, I guess

robespierre wrote: No, I meant a zealot

hmm i thought you were preferring the foot soldier of the Protoss race from the StarCraft game

robespierre wrote: let me know what you think of it.

will do

hamei wrote: I'll take your word for it ...

hahaha where did the "soviet union paradise and american cops shooting" went? hehehe

No new benchmark results (though I thought about installing Macintosh Common Lisp on the IIfx and comparing that to the MacIvory II. maybe in the spring.) but I have been jerking around with bringing up color on the NuVista+. There is some stub support for it in Genera 8.3, but it's not complete enough to actually work. So I hacked a patch together, borrowing the sync programs from the NuVista source. I think the timings are maybe not quite correct for the NuVista+ because I've got no color in any of the video modes, and the "hires" (31kHz) mode needs some pretty serious sync processing before any display will play ball. It'd be nice to find a copy of the Mac driver disks so I could extract the timing values from the "official" NuVista+ sync programs, and see if it makes any difference in the displays output from Genera.

But it does work. I haven't looked into any of the S-Graphics packages yet, though the color demos are (however) mildly amusing.

Do all of the color demos (Finger Of God, Spheres) work on a NuVista? I thought some of them were closely tied into the L-Graphics hw, because they did pan and zoom effects at 1280x1024. (I seem to remember that 1440x1152 was also a setting.)

Finger Of God and Spheres definitely do. The hardware pan and zoom works, but is not very smooth. I'm not sure if this is a limitation of the NuVista or of the MacIvory (or NuBus for that matter). The only thing that doesn't seem to work is color map animation. But it might. I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like. I have a 3650 with full color, but it needs attention before I can play with it and compare to NuVista.

The NuVista and NuVista+ really only do broadcast resolution.

I actually took some photos of the other demos too, just didn't upload them.

Looks good!
The 3650 is a sweet machine.

thanks kjaer!! very interesting!! hope there's more to come
still cant imagine why lispm went cold

if you mean lisp machines - well they were great and I heard some are still in use, but "generic" CPU's picked up so fast and they became obsolete...
if you mean lispm as in Rainer Joswig who is probably one of the very few surviving LISP users - he's alive and well - just active in his own "world".

I can't remember but I think I have tried compiling sbcl or at least ccl a while back - I found the latest version that compiled just fine on IRIX (it was still *very* old), and that's the last thing I recall - since then I had to remove that hard disk because I suspect that was causing my Fuel to crash, might plug it in someday to see what did I get stuck on.

I would also like to have some more recent implementation available.

Cheers