Nekonomicon - Onyx and FW900 VFO?

pentium
From Kamloops, BC
Who joined Aug. 28, 2006, 6:29 p.m.

Wrote the following at Feb. 6, 2015, 8 p.m...

Before I try to bugger about in VFC to get the most use out of a Sony GDM-FW900 on my onyx, has anyone else for some reason already built a VFO for the Reality Engine2?

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vishnu
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Wrote the following at Feb. 6, 2015, 11:38 p.m...

Compiling custom VFOs is light years above my pay grade but if you post the Sony's EDID recondas will happily use his god-like VFO skills to compile one for you. 8-)

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pentium
From Kamloops, BC
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Wrote the following at Feb. 7, 2015, 2:58 p.m...

I don't immediately have the ability to pull the EDID off my own monitor as the doctor has me on "DON'T LIFT HEAVY STUFF FOR A MONTH!" and I'm pretty sure picking mine up will blow my stitches out, so I"m going to hope that someone already has already dumped it seeing how it's a really popular monitor with the CRT fanatics.

Edited: Is this enough to go on?

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   MonitorID=SNY01E0
   

   MonitorType=SONY GDM-FW900 (Microsoft)
   

   MonitorCaps1=2304x1440 (121kHz/160Hz)
   

   EDID.Data.03.00=00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4D,D9,E0,01,01,01,01,01
   

   EDID.Data.03.01=FF,FF,FF,00,D9,01,01,01,0B,03,30,96,0C,A0,47,27
   

   EDID.Data.03.02=FF,FF,4D,01,01,0B,0E,96,C9,47,12,FF,E1,4F,D1,59
   

   EDID.Data.03.03=FF,00,01,01,03,96,A0,27,FF,19,19,59,99,95,A0,00
   

   EDID.Data.03.04=FF,D9,01,03,E9,47,4C,19,D1,19,F2,A0,13,00,00,1E
   

   EDID.Data.03.05=FF,01,0B,96,47,FF,4F,59,4F,A0,10,18,30,0A,20,47
   

   EDID.Data.03.06=FF,01,0E,A0,4C,4F,A9,95,B0,00,00,0A,00,4D,0A,FF
   

   EDID.Data.03.07=00,01,96,27,19,59,95,00,18,1E,20,47,30,FF,34,C5
   

   EDID.Data.02.00=00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4D,D9,E0,01,01,01,01,01
   

   EDID.Data.02.01=FF,FF,FF,00,D9,01,01,01,0B,03,30,96,0C,A0,47,27
   

   EDID.Data.02.02=FF,FF,4D,01,01,0B,0E,96,C9,47,12,FF,E1,4F,D1,59
   

   EDID.Data.02.03=FF,00,01,01,03,96,A0,27,FF,19,19,59,99,95,A0,00
   

   EDID.Data.02.04=FF,D9,01,03,E9,47,4C,19,D1,19,F2,A0,13,00,00,1E
   

   EDID.Data.02.05=FF,01,0B,96,47,FF,4F,59,4F,A0,10,18,30,0A,20,47
   

   EDID.Data.02.06=FF,01,0E,A0,4C,4F,A9,95,B0,00,00,0A,00,4D,0A,FF
   

   EDID.Data.02.07=00,01,96,27,19,59,95,00,18,1E,20,47,30,FF,34,C5
   

   MaxDriverHRes=1920
   

   MaxDriverVRes=1440
   

   2304x1440=2304,176,256,448,1440,1,3,63,383864,534
   

   _1920x1200=1920,144,208,352,1200,3,6,53,75938,7
   

   _1920x1280=1920,48,192,240,1280,1,3,13,186768,528
   

   1920x1280=1920,48,192,240,1280,1,3,13,80000,528

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recondas
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Wrote the following at Feb. 8, 2015, 9:18 a.m...

Haven't had the privilege of an Onyx(1), but if your RealityEngine2 shares enough commonality with InfiniteReality graphics the vfo needed for the FW900 might already be on the system.

Some were included with an InfiniteReality system install, inside /usr/gfx/ucode/KONA/dg4/vof.

Take a look and see if you have a directory structure similar to /usr/gfx/ucode/KONA/dg4/vof. Hopefully an install for RE2 graphics will contain some pre-compliled display formats.

Inside the IR-specific vfo directory are a number of pre-compiled display formats. Looking at the refresh rates I'd guess several of those wide-aspect formats were intended for the SGI oem'd Sony widescreen CRTs:

There are more, but some appear to be intended for specialized cinematic or broadcast use, and others for combined displays or projector-based cave systems. Hopefully your RE2 install will have something similar

If none of the precompiled formats work (or they don't exist for your Onyx(1) RE), post back and we'll look into converting your hex-based EDID into something we can hopefully create a custom format from. I'll need to know a little more about what RE2 is capable of (max pixel clock, etc), and the underlying catch22 for using VFC to create custom display formats is the availability of SGI-supplied board and chip rules definition files (for use with VFC). The graphics sets supported by VFC are (indirectly) listed in /usr/gfx/ucode/vfc/rules; V6, V8, V10, V12 (VPro for Octane2), SI,SSI, MXI, SE, SSE, MXE (MGRAS for Indigo2 and Octane with Impact graphics), O2 graphics , and InfiniteReality (the dg4 and voc1 definition files). RE2 graphics might prove to be a stretch.

vishnu wrote: recondas will happily use his god-damned VFO skills to compile one for you.

Fixed that for you (and caught the subliminal messaging).

In the future 'll try to refrain from over evangelizing the nirvana-like state of VFC-EDID oneness, cross my heart.

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pentium
From Kamloops, BC
Who joined Aug. 28, 2006, 6:29 p.m.

Wrote the following at Feb. 8, 2015, 7:58 p.m...

I got /usr/gfx/ucode/RE, but no KONA.

I dug a bit deeper and found the VOF's and a potentially handy readme but as for the more exact specifics for the RE2 you're requesting I can't find them yet. Should I be seeing something for the GE10 or RE2 in /usr/gfx/ucode/vfc/rules ? I can only find just the usual marketing specs which aren't useful here.

I'll just navigate around for you so you get an idea what's available.

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   BlackWarGreymon# cd /usr/gfx/ucode
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   RE         dg2prom    flashprom  vfc
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd vfc
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   rules    sdbutil  vfs
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd rules
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   O2_Board.def        VPro_Chip.def       dplex.def           samplechip.def
   

   O2_Chip.def         VPro_DCD.def        mgras.def           voc1.def
   

   VPro_BlockSync.def  dg4.def             mgras_vc3.def
   

   VPro_Board.def      dg4_ddo_gvo.def     sampleboard.def
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd /usr/gfx/ucode/vfc/vfs
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   1024x768_96s.vfs    1280x1024_60.vfs    646x486_30i.vfs     Makefile
   

   1280x1024_120s.vfs  1920x1080_60.vfs    BlockSync.vfs       StereoTemplate.def
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd ..
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd ..
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   RE         dg2prom    flashprom  vfc
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd RE
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   GE10prom.u  fcg.u       fcg_ge.u    vx2
   

   dg2         fcg_cp.u    vs2
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd dg2
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   vof     xilinx
   

   BlackWarGreymon# cd vof
   

   BlackWarGreymon# ls
   

   1025x768_30i.u        1280x492_120st.u      640x512_60.u
   

   1025x768_60.u         1280x512_120s.u       640x640_60.u
   

   1025x768_96s.u        1280x960_30i.u        645x486_30i.u
   

   1025x946_180qi.u      1280x960_76.u         720x544_60.u
   

   1075x512_30i.u        1600x1200_50.u        745x224_60.u
   

   1200x900_72.u         1600x1200_60.u        770x576_25i.u
   

   1280x1024_180qi.u     1920x1035_30i.u       800x600_60.u
   

   1280x1024_25f.u       1920x1035_30ik.u      815x611_120s.u
   

   1280x1024_30f.u       1920x1080_60.u        850x850_60.u
   

   1280x1024_30i.u       1920x1152_25i.u       875x808_180qi.u
   

   1280x1024_50.u        1920x1152_25ik.u      960x620_60.u
   

   1280x1024_50f.u       640x1024_60.u         960x680_108s.u
   

   1280x1024_60.u        640x480_180q.u        960x680_50.u
   

   1280x1024_60f.u       640x480_60.u          960x680_60.u
   

   1280x1024_72.u        640x486_30i.u         960x802_30i.u
   

   1280x1024_failsafe.u  640x496_60.u          README
   

   1280x492_120s.u       640x512_120s.u        dg21130x5_60.u
   

   BlackWarGreymon# vi README
   

   

   SEE ATTACHMENT FOR OUTPUT

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recondas
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Wrote the following at Feb. 9, 2015, 6:58 a.m...

From what you've posted it wouldn't appear RealityEngine2 graphics are supported by VFC.

Even if we set aside the issue of what tool to use to create a custom display format, the apparent lack of pre-compiled wide-screen formats (with refresh rates in the range typically used by desktop monitors) seem to suggest a 1920x1200 display format ( recommended for the FW900 in 16:10 mode ) might exceed RE2 capabilities. Found some of the RE2 documents provided on Ian's web site that *seem* to confirm that supposition:

Visual Output:
1 to 6 hi-resolution (1280 x 1024) outputs/system

http://www.futuretech.blinkenlights.nl/ ... hicig.html

and

RealityEngine2:
VGA up to 1600x1200

http://www.futuretech.blinkenlights.nl/onyxgs.html

Might be time for someone with RE2 graphics experience to weigh in. jan-jaap?

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hamei
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Wrote the following at Feb. 9, 2015, 8:07 a.m...

recondas wrote: From what you've /GDMFW900.PDF]recommended for the FW900 in 16:10 mode[/url]) might exceed RE2 capabilities.

RealityEngine2:
VGA up to 1600x1200

No RE here but I did have the predecessor to the FW 900. 1600x1024 is quite acceptable on that monitor. 1600x1200 doesn't fit the aspect ratio so everything gets squshed but it will display if pentium wants to test.

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pentium
From Kamloops, BC
Who joined Aug. 28, 2006, 6:29 p.m.

Wrote the following at Feb. 9, 2015, 8:33 a.m...

Aw man, well that kinda sucks. I was hoping to show the Onyx off with it at QuakeCon.

You'll have to give me two more weeks before I can pull it out. Doc's orders, sorry.

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jan-jaap
From Wijchen, The Netherlands
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Wrote the following at Feb. 9, 2015, 1:12 p.m...

recondas wrote:

RealityEngine2:
VGA up to 1600x1200

http://www.futuretech.blinkenlights.nl/onyxgs.html

Might be time for someone with RE2 graphics experience to weigh in. jan-jaap?

VGA up to 1600x1200 and HDTV display

(emphasis mine).

1600x1200 and HDTV resolutions are only possible with two or four raster manager configurations. HDTV in this era was 1920x1035 @ 30Hz or 1920x1152 @ 25Hz (interlaced), and even a VGX could do that (or at least the 1035i mode).

I don't have an Onyx RE2 anymore (I got tired of it's habit of eating a board or two every year), and my 4D/440 VGX has borrowed the PSU of the Crimson RE for the time being so I can't check. But my gut feeling tells me that 1920x1200 is beyond the capabilities of a Reality Engine.

Keep in mind that if you increase resolution without adding raster managers you pixel depth will decrease. Features like accumulation buffer, Z buffer, overlay planes and multisample buffers (for antialiasing) add up to a certain number of bits/pixel so even if you were able to crank up the resolution to 1920x1200 you'd end up with the equivalent of a very high resolution Indy XL24 unless you have 4 RMs.

I would settle for 1600x1024 or something similar with the proper aspect ratio.

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pentium
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Wrote the following at Feb. 9, 2015, 7:26 p.m...

I'd have no complaints with that either, so long as we get the aspect ratio correct.
I only have two RM's right now but I'm chipping out a deal with someone to get two more.

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